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" 'Okja' I don't think would have been made if Netflix hadn't made it. That, to me, is a much bigger thing than whether someone watches it on a big screen or a phone. Because it simply wouldn't have existed otherwise. "

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" I wasn't in any way a kind of soothsayer or not surprised when Sept. 11 happened. I was absolutely shocked. "

" My entry into screenwriting was not smooth. "

" In the midst of a burning-hot shaming, calling for patience and context and understanding and empathy can really land you in trouble. "

" I did feel like they were telling me that something like that was going to happen. Not specifically - not that planes were going to be flown into the World Trade Center or anything like that - but in the general sense. "

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" Of course there's systemic misogyny in certain parts of our culture and systemic racism and a wider range of insults women have to face. "

" Well, I had nightmares when I was doing the Klan story all the time. I had a recurring nightmare of basically being exposed as a Jew inside the Klan compound. "

" There was a kind of infiniteness to fiction that I found sort of... disconcerting. I remember having these really panicky thoughts, like, 'I can make this person say anything. I could make him do anything! I could put a jetpack onto his back and shoot him into space!' I don't like this feeling of having no rules. "

" In the early days of Twitter, it was like a place of radical de-shaming. People would admit shameful secrets about themselves, and other people would say, 'Oh my God, I'm exactly the same.' Voiceless people realized that they had a voice, and it was powerful and eloquent. "

" Of course there are people who would like to eat breakfast without the screams of toddlers all around them, but those people should get over themselves and stop being stuck up and idiotic. "

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" I felt very strongly about the Ashley Madison thing. Of the 39 million people who signed up for Ashley Madison, only a tiny percentage of them actually had an affair. And I'd go a step further and say even if they did, it's none of our business, frankly. "

" I'm not what you'd call a fearless type of person. "

" What I think was a really lucky coincidence was that a lot of the themes of 'Okja' are things I write about a lot: cognitive dissonance and corporate greed and also the internal politics of fringe groups. "

" We have to understand how the extremists got the way they are. Without that kind of understanding, we'd never really get to know them. I put in nothing about their childhoods. But what I have put in is stuff about the weird symbiotic relationship between us and them. "

" Film is like a casserole. Everybody is thrown into a pot, and we're all in it together. "

" Success is always less funny than failure. "

" The phrase 'misuse of privilege' is becoming a free pass to tear apart pretty much anybody we choose to. It's becoming a devalued term, and it's making us lose our capacity for empathy and for distinguishing between serious and unserious transgressions. "

" If I interview somebody for an hour, I'm looking for four amazing minutes. "

" You can say anything to David Icke and he will accept it and put it into his ideology. "

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" Film isn't a meritocracy; there's no system ensuring the best screenplays get produced. It's a hustle. "

" But on the extremist side I didn't get any rejections at all. Everyone agreed to talk to me. "

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" No, people back home don't realize why there is this kind of need for heroes in America at the moment. People in Britain don't really understand what's going on here. They don't understand why Camp X-ray exists. "

" Trying to solve the mystery is what I enjoy most about writing. "

" Maybe there's two types of people in the world: those people who favor humans over ideology, and those people who favor ideology over humans. "

" But when I was doing the KKK I had constant nightmares of being exposed as a Jew and lynched by the Klan. "

" I have thought sometimes that the sanest people, the people who are just very balanced, very happy, are probably lower achieving than other people. My kind of irrationality happens to be fear or anxiety. "

" Film people can be quite ruthless and tough. I think it's because the industry is filled with talented, driven people chasing nowhere near enough work. "

" There's definitely evidence that capitalism at its most ruthless rewards psychopathic behavior. When you look at the worst corners of the American health insurance industry or the sub-prime banking market, it really feels like the more psychopathically someone behaves, the more it's rewarded. "

" Misuse of privilege is seen as the worst sin. "

" Yeah, but in the end his followers take what they want from his philosophy. Maybe it doesn't matter what's going on in David Icke's mind. It's how other people take him. "